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BlackGetsuga
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| Also the way I see it is that this league should be run the way it would be run by softnyx if they had a clan system implemented, because it is (supposed to be) a softnyx sponsored community. Lines should be drawn, but I think they should stop at no cells/chaos on the golems because those are areas where there is a very clear 'lack of skill' situation. |
Please explain to me how using 6 armor/health pots a game is "skillful". It gives a player a chance to live 2.5 times the amount a normal player would. Rich used to use 2 pots a game, and he NEVER died. Imagine 6.
SO, lets make a "theoretical" situation here. Smith A>Smith B in terms of pure skill and talent. A has 1 potion(s), while B has 6 potion(s). A beats down B to near-death. B beats A down to half. They both use respective pots. A has 0 pots and 80 percent health, B has 100 percent and 2-3 potions remaining. The outcome occurs; A beats B down to 10 percent, while B beats A down to 30. B pots back up to 70 percent while A has no more potions. B wins 20 percent to zero because of A's lack of potions.
As per that diagram, it is clear that A would have won that match very easily if there were no potions and pure skill was analyzed.
Lets have the same argument WITH CELLS. Yea, what if people summoned instead of using potions? A has Naks and B has Soul Cannons. Pretty one-sided right? Yet, HOW are cells different from potions. Heck, I might say Id rather have summons in RL than potions. Why? Because at the very least, you cannot buy a level 50 SC or a Level 70 LB. You have to LEVEL them up, rather than buying them and getting maximum effect every single time you press a key. CP is also a factor, you cant summon without it, while with a potion... the effect is instantaneous every single time without risk of failure.
John, I respect your opinion, but I will say what you are arguing for only rules and regulation that benefit yourself and not the whole of the community. It is fairly obvious that if RL has the go ahead with the potion idea, then the less fortunate clans will NEVER enter. They have LESS stats, LESS time in-game and most likely LESS money to spend. RL will never grow due to the fear of high level monstrosities. Lets not mention the fact that with lower armor/health values the pots are less effective... making even more of a power gap even if EVERYONE had 6 potions each.
Id go so far as to say we should not allow bracers, either. Why? As per the argument above, no new clan will ever join if they are at a distinct disadvantage just because they did not play an obscure event in the past.
So, I think everyone who is FOR bracers and FOR potions to think twice if they actually want some real competition, the real line has not yet been drawn until it is at least close to equal to everyone.
And for the record? I could buy a thousand potions and all 6 slots, and I have bracers, so if you say I am basing my opinion from my own position you are wrong. I am basing it upon the position of every other clan not fortunate enough to have played the month of the event and not have a mound of cash to throw away.
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Hemmie
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What are the 'hidden' stats for the bracers anyway?
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Zetapoo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Why not take it further and say that since low leveled clans cant compete with the stats of higher leveled clans, we should do everything in basic mode, completely naked, cause that would the best determinate of skill right? But seriously I think you should consider the actual percentage of a single person that would have all 6 potion slots open, and filled with cash armor/energy pots only, let alone an entire team with them. that would be a $100/100k gold investment right there on potions alone, and to be honest I think if someone is willing to dump that much money into softnyx they deserve an advantage in games(I don't have 6 armor/energy pots). You cant just reject every single feature softnyx implements into the game because it will make things slanted to people who play more/spend more money, even though those people should have an advantage anyway.
| Hemmie wrote: |
| What are the 'hidden' stats for the bracers anyway? |
They are random points added to your attack stats, most expensive bracer's have more random stats. If anyone tells you otherwise, they're wrong.
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Hemmie
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Why not take it further and say that since low leveled clans cant compete with the stats of higher leveled clans, we should do everything in basic mode, completely naked, cause that would the best determinate of skill right? But seriously I think you should consider the actual percentage of a single person that would have all 6 potion slots open, and filled with cash armor/energy pots only, let alone an entire team with them. that would be a $100/100k gold investment right there on potions alone, and to be honest I think if someone is willing to dump that much money into softnyx they deserve an advantage in games(I don't have 6 armor/energy pots). You cant just reject every single feature softnyx implements into the game because it will make things slanted to people who play more/spend more money, even though those people should have an advantage anyway.
| Hemmie wrote: |
| What are the 'hidden' stats for the bracers anyway? |
Oh okay ty.
They are random points added to your attack stats, most expensive bracer's have more random stats. If anyone tells you otherwise, they're wrong. |
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BlackGetsuga
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| Well, what you propose is unrealistic, versus lets say.. the proposition set forth by Jaime. I understand you may have qualms or w/e with her, but that does not defy the fact she makes a good point here. If it has an alert system, then there is no reason why we should not play this game in RL as fairly competitive as possible. |
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Zetapoo
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Any personal qualms I could potentially have are irrelevant to the matter at hand, someone close to me in my clan could bring up the same points and I would feel the same way about it. I am not looking at it from a matter of being able to enforce it or not, I am saying that regardless of its enforceability, it is a feature that softnyx has implemented and I think its potential strategic benefits far outweigh the few people who would actually go to the extremes you mention above. I know some people wish we could go back to the days without elemental gear/potions/lack of "bug"/anything that gives a slight advantage to someone who will give money to the company, but the game has and will continue to evolve, and we should all adapt and get over it.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Logical Reasoning; An Abstract Concept. |
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| Please spare me the antagonistic drama of it all. I merely wrote the letter as a blueprint for anyone who deems potions as inconsequential to League Scrims. Your alleged reasoning for potions' acceptance into the League is basically that more money and more time should equal a better player. I disagree. I agree that players should be rewarded for the more money and time they spend on the game; but I think that scrim games should be as equal as possible. And since Rakion players created the League, where the Softnyx team failed to do so, we should run it how we see fit. One might argue, as a clanless player, I should have virtually no say in clan scrims; but that's unfortunate. I've always argued for what I think is best for the game, and this seems the clear, definitive choice. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: Further Investigation |
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| If you don't agree with the letter, then don't send it. If you do, send it. It's as simple as that. This approach has worked in the past for the rec. event, and let me inform you; No one will ever change my mind, but me. (:. So please, move along if you disagree. |
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We should demand LBs be homing again 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Any rules regarding potion usage can only be created and enforced by the league, Softnyx won't back up any rules we decide about potions, that's official.
For the sake of the time of Softnyx as well as the people involved in this message, I'm going to close this thread, please stop sending Softnyx messages.
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