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NICEBEAR
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 Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:09 am Post subject: by the way |
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I am the strokee and pigs are dirty and cats have claws and frogs hop and cows moo and dogs bark and drunk ppl slur and boys have a penis and girls have a vagina and so on and so forth
i am the strokke and i have spoken and i own everyone and this is the way it is casue i am the RAKION POLICE RAWWWWWWWRRRRRRRR |
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Horazon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Homen wrote: |
Strokke, are you just TRYING to twist events into something that sounds convienent to your position?
When will you get the point?
We don't give a damn about suspending our clan members. In fact, if you look back at EVERY SINGLE one of Lux's posts, that's not what any of this is about. Are you ignorant? Manipulative? Or just out-right arrogant?
First off, you don't understand a DAMN THING about Bom and Lux. Don't fool yourself, even ask Bom himself, and he'll tell you noone outside of Lux knows the whole story. You have no clue. Bom warned us long after anyone stopped using the event. Lemme put that in stupid for you - When bom warned us, we were done already. So that's completely irrelevant. The situation between us and him has improved greatly, and Bom himself would appreciate you leave him out of this at this point.
Secondly, the Warrior_Vu directly pertains to what our MAIN ISSUE is about (which you oh so convienetly ignore). The hypocrisy and double standards that exists within this league. The bias, and the crap policies which noone had a problem with until you decided to abuse them.
Third, What about flawless? We don't care about that, and noone in Lux appreciates you trying to to say that. What makes you honestly think we'd care? Let flawless play, it's not our decision whether they do or not, it's theirs and yours. Are you TRYING to create new problems now?
Strokke, here's what continues to anger Luxians. You continue to beat around the bush, and directly issue what we have to say. It's the double standards and bias that exists here that angers us. Warrior_Vu directly pertains to the issue, it's not a change in topic, its a DIRECT CORRELATION to everything we've had to say this past week.
Deal with the issue, instead of avoiding it. |
About Warrior_Vu's case, he was banned unjustly. But as Strokke stated in an earlier post, he cannot go through every potential abuser and investigate for hours. That wouldn't work and would be too time consuming.
Also about that double standard. In what way is it applying to you guys more? I know that if I were to have nak swapped, I'd be cut from IcE and banned from the league, just like that, no questions asked.
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jupitor
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Umm it doesnt take hours of investigation to determine if someone needs to be banned, but it does take some concrete proof especcially since you dont have access to game logs. From what i have observed the majority of the people put on suspension or banned were put there because of a jump in ranks, which considering that many people were switching back from the korean server doesnt really indicate guilt at all. i wouldve considerd screenshots of someone in a nak only game with several thousand xp as someone guilty of nak swapping, or possibly a fraps video. |
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Heinekin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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You guys are stupid, plain and simple.
Seriously, play one goddamn organized league one time. There are mandatory match times and they don't put up with the ambiguous shit Strokke has allowed clans in this league to get away with in scheduling.
In counter-strike, if you don't send in demos with perfect timing and length and size within 24 hours of being disputed, you get banned for 6 months. It's nothing new, but you 13 year old kids seem to think that banning someone on suspicion until they prove themselves innocent is a new thing. It is most assuredly not the admins job to investigate every claim until a dispute is made about it.
The fact is this: They banned warrior_vu in a very similar method to other leagues. He then proved his innocence and was unbanned. Then the admin team made a public apology. I've had people get unbanned in CS and other clans run with it saying they sucked the Admin's dick to get out of it. Get my point here? Everyone who saw vu get banned also saw vu get unbanned.
As for the groundless accusations salm keeps making about strokkes level, despite his screenshot showing the middle of his leveling period: Whats all this double-speak about "dragging a name through the mud"? You're accusing strokke of something that he clearly didn't do, talking about it as fact, and he doesn't even try to make you look like an idiot for your clearly erroneous statement. |
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MeepRawr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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HOLY CRAP. Read what you retards posted makes me mad that anyone with your low of brain power exists. How can you possibly function having That low of intellect? I didn't think you guys could get any more stupid, but here we are and your just proving that you CAN get more retarded.
GRR THIS MAKES ME MAD. HULK SMASH.
AND BIG BEAR OR WHOEVER YOU ARE LEARN SOME PROPER ENGLISH YOUR SENTENCES MAKE NO FREAKING SENSE. |
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Homen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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@ Hein - Fark, stay on topic. You'll notice not one single post in this thread focuses on Vu. I personally only state that Vu directly correlates to the issue at hand, but you go ahead and ignore everything I or Salmeina has to say. It's rediculous. As for dragging names through the mud, yes, Strokke did give Vu a bad rap. However, the issue with Strokke's levels didn't arise until STROKKE HIMSELF made a huge deal out of it. I believe Sal simply stated that strokke was being a hypocrit for rec abusing in the past, and mentioned something about levels. Strokke then decided to harp about it, and give exact detailed dates on his leveling status and provide screenshots and what not (Which I find oddly suspicous personally, who keeps detailed information like that about their character?)
@Hora - Again, stay on topic. Yes, my post mentions Vu, but that doesn't mean its the topic at hand. I know the situation with Vu. EVERYONE knows it at this point. Enough with Vu. It's just an example, and addresses something that STROKKE brought up in this thread an effort to divert attention away from what I or Salmeina have to say. Again, it's rediculous the lack of attention you all have. Also, it's not that it applies to us more then anyone else, we just see it, and choose to address it. You choose to ignore it, fair enough, so we chose to withdraw from the league. And I personally don't know of anyone being kicked from IcE for abusing an event before, in fact the majority of IcE was banned and deleveled in the past for abusing events. So, in that case, I think you don't have any room to talk there... I don't have any respect for clans that decide to "clean up" after the majority of them have been banned and unbanned.
@both of you - I dare you to actually talk about what I or Salmeina have to say. Read our entire post. Reply to our ENTIRE posts, as I have done to both of you. Don't pick and choose, you're simply proving my or Sal's points by ignoring them.
Also @ Hein as an after thought - I think Strokke or one of the 5 (4? 6? Whatever) other admins in this league can investigate the exp issues. We're not talking some HUGE league with over a thousand people in it. Furthermore, the list of potential bannings was what, less then 10 people long? Hell, that takes no effort. How hard is it to figure out what happened? I believe Yungone investigated Vu in about 5 minutes, he compared hjs level to the South Korean server and saw that the rank increase was appropriate to where he was before in South Korea. How hard is that? There's enough people, have them work on it. Also, according to Bom, league admins other then Strokke dont do shit anyways, so it's not like they dont have any spare time on their hands.
Oh, also, @ Meep - Wtf? Keep comments like that to yourself, they have no true relevance to this topic, and how about you go ahead and specify who the dumb ones are? How about you back it up? I honestly feel you're talking about Hora and Hein, in which case, I agree with you completely. And yes, I do happen to agree that BigBear would get his point across better if he made a little more sense, but come on, you can deal with it cant you? Your post was just barely more intelligible then his.
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MeepRawr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Secondly, the Warrior_Vu directly pertains to what our MAIN ISSUE is about (which you oh so convienetly ignore). The hypocrisy and double standards that exists within this league. The bias, and the crap policies which noone had a problem with until you decided to abuse them.
Main issue? you just said "Yes, my post mentions Vu, but that doesn't mean its the topic at hand."
I'm not sure you know what the main issue is, and i just think your wanting something to argue about now instead of actually caring about the other stuff. |
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Homen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| MeepRawr wrote: |
Secondly, the Warrior_Vu directly pertains to what our MAIN ISSUE is about (which you oh so convienetly ignore). The hypocrisy and double standards that exists within this league. The bias, and the crap policies which noone had a problem with until you decided to abuse them.
Main issue? you just said "Yes, my post mentions Vu, but that doesn't mean its the topic at hand."
I'm not sure you know what the main issue is, and i just think your wanting something to argue about now instead of actually caring about the other stuff. |
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FOR GODS SAKE. HYPOCRIT. You want to accuse me of having something to argue about? You just went and created a completely OFF TOPIC argument regarding my ENTIRE FARKIN POST. Did you even read the entire damn thing? So if you did, by not commenting on anything else I stated, you agree to it all? Thanks, I appreciate you agreeing with my position.
You're the one arguing for the sake of arguing here.
If we're going to have a debate here, then in the world of debate, not addressing something is the same as conceding it.
Look back at my first post. I mention Vu in one sentence, and merely redirect something that Strokke brought up. We aren't arguing about Vu, but all of you choose to. Read my entire post, or dont reply anything at all.
How about this -
"Strokke, here's what continues to anger Luxians. You continue to beat around the bush, and directly issue what we have to say. It's the double standards and bias that exists here that angers us. Warrior_Vu directly pertains to the issue, it's not a change in topic, its a DIRECT CORRELATION to everything we've had to say this past week. "
That's the main issue. Everything before that was in response to what Strokke had to say.
You know I actually have to hand it to Strokke, he sure knows how to band a bunch of idiots together to change the topic in an effort to hide his own inadequacy.
ENOUGH WITH VU. Deal with the topic at hand. Either read ALL the posts, or don't say anything at all. |
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123g
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Meeprawr, please keep those comments to yourself, everytime you make a comment on the thread you go with the "that makes no sense." We all know that you are in clan IcE because of your kiss ass skills, not your rakion skills.
These sentences ring a bell to you?
| MeepRawr wrote: |
| LEARN SOME PROPER ENGLISH YOUR SENTENCES MAKE NO FREAKING SENSE. |
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| CAN YOU READ 123g OR DO YOU JUST LOOK AT YOUR OWN POST AND SAY HMM YEA I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE, but really doesn't. |
| MeepRawr wrote: |
Well obviously you didn't read my post because it wasn't all in caps. So why should i read yours? |
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jupitor
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| MeepRawr wrote: |
Secondly, the Warrior_Vu directly pertains to what our MAIN ISSUE is about (which you oh so convienetly ignore). The hypocrisy and double standards that exists within this league. The bias, and the crap policies which noone had a problem with until you decided to abuse them.
Main issue? you just said "Yes, my post mentions Vu, but that doesn't mean its the topic at hand."
I'm not sure you know what the main issue is, and i just think your wanting something to argue about now instead of actually caring about the other stuff. |
um he mentions vu as an example of the problem with "the hypocrisy and doublestandards... the bias and the crap policies" i think hes saying thats the main issue. i dont agree completly with either side here. I think strokkes policies with a clean slate is the best route to tak, but also think if your going to punish someone your gonna need a little more evidence. The people in the post strokke made for the ban list are all legitimate cases, it was bomguis posts about possible suspects based purely on rank increases that i have a problem with. however, bomgui at least apologized for the warrior vu situation, but not about the other participants. I give strokke credit for apologizing to the majority of the innocent people that bom put in his list. I think the whole situation just brings up the point that we need some certain criteria for actuallybanning people that abuse, something concrete like fraps or screenshots. |
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Homen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Strokke's apology was pretty half-assed. It was tacked on to one of Bomgui's thread and contained at the bottom of a big excuse...
"So sorry to everybody who was inconvenienced by this."
Hrm, nice apology. I'd like to see a public statement, not a blurb at the bottom of an excuse. It was his way of saying he apologized, without actually apologizing. |
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dark_rz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| so what is the double standard that you are subjected to? |
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Heinekin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Shall I directly address?
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In order to give respect the person:
a) has to be respectable and
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b) needs to show respect in turn
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Does. I don't see whats so unrespectful about what he says. Please provide some examples.
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| From what I've seen, the negative actions Strokke has been involved in more than compensate for what he's done positive with this league. He shows absolutely no respect for anyone except himself and maybe his own clan. |
Strokke's negative actions include-
Being accused of rec abuse, unfoundedly. His screenshot was a screenshot of the Explorer date on a screenshot he took of a hacker or something. It happens to include his level. I actually inquired about this when I saw it.
"Cussing out people in the community". He used the F word. Except he put censors on the forums so you don't have to actually read the F word. It was open ended, and he was denouncing anyone who may have participated in an illegal event.
Banning Warrior_Vu unjustly. Except it was not his sole decision. It was that of the ENTIRE ADMIN TEAM. Because he is the figurehead, much like that of, say, the US president, he receives blame for things that are not his doing, either solely partially. George W. Bush has considerably less control over the economy than, say, Greenspan, but he sure as hell gets blamed by all the blindly liberal trailer trash, because they just got laid off from GM. It was an admin team decision to ban Vu, and once things were cleared up he was both unbanned and apologized to by the ADMIN TEAM. Much more was done for this issue than any other league I've ever seen.
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| He's abused events and been involved in alot of things that I personally (and I know I'm not alone) find rather shady. If you think a person like that deserves any respect from his piers, then by all means, feel free to give it to him. |
Oh really? What events? And what things? Ah, groundless naysaying.
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As for me, I can't give respect to someone like that. The guy doesn't even have the decency to give a real apology for his errors. To be a man, a REAL man, you must be able to admit your mistakes and grow from them. So far I haven't seen any of that from the Strokke...
-Sal |
As I mentioned earlier, it's not Strokke's responsibility to apologize individually on top of an admin team apology, for a decision that was made by the team.
I read your post. |
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Horazon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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See, if your clan members were innocent, they could send in proof. They can't. Then they're banned.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| you can tell this topic is gonna get nasty when posts become that long. |
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