Week 1 - Bracket 1 Result - Pravus vs Ubroke [7:3]

larsoboy · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 129 Pictures: 0

Why didn't you say that you don't want EU clans before the league started then? Also solves the lag problem

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Master Shake · Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject:

oh trust me i didnt want to play with euros or this shitty nse rules, but you know what it doesnt matter, i have the pleasure of not playing these crap lagggy games cuz i do not own any nse armor and I'm not wasting money on it.
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trungthiendo · Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 271 Pictures: 0

iono why all these EU kids are fooking migrating over and kissing pravus ass. Shit son it was played 7:3, done deal now pravus and praeda can duke it amongst themselves, and when they are matched up against USA clan in the finals again...you can forfeit and f'ing take it the fck back to EU and QQ.

Rama, be glad ur clan got to play and didn't have to forfeit. Also, why do you need to voice anything here...did you play? NO so sit the fck down, and shut the fck up.

Fck, even a retard coudl figure it out, if our clan was all west coast based or east coast based instead of split up, the outcome would've been a lot different. U wanna test that theory? get 1 of ur Pravus member + 2 USA members VS our clan see what happens. Offer some real solutions/insights instead of spamming useless shit in the league section

Frosty · Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 23 Pictures: 0

Oh don't worry, somehow I have the strange feeling that this will remain the last intercontinental league and "euros" won't get to participate later because of the ever-so-despaired "euro lag". It seems that in most EU clan vs US clan games in this league, the US clan pretty much always blamed the lag for their loss (not every clan, but meh).

1. Geographically looking US players should actually be more adept at handling latencies (east- to westcoast + Canada + Mexico etc. etc., whereas EU is much smaller).
2. Lag, both as in high pings and packet loss, works both ways. In common cases there isn't a team that would benefit of lag more than the other.

Yet still, "euro lag" is spoken of as if Europeans deliberately brought it with themselves and used it as a weapon to win the cws.

Oh and, NSE is apparently "shitty" just because the vast majority of US players decided not to shun new SE-items as skill-opposing unlike EUs did. Hey, it's not our fault if you gave in to the temptation of having more power in the shape of special effects, instead of trying to keep the game skillwise as challenging as possible (even though Softnyx seems to be working hard to make everything purchasable with money, probably even playing skills in the future <.<).

I don't mean to sound rude and/or continent-patriotic, my point is to get you to open your eyes (like some US players already have Smile

) and to see that things aren't as straightforward as they seem.
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tronn · Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 598 Pictures: 0

I'm not sure if it's the USA/Canada internet infrastructure being heavily run with fiber or what, but we don't have the high latency that Europeans have told me is the norm there. This game is all about the ms. 50ms makes a huge difference in twitch games. I just think that it's a matter of what people are used to. I am used to 50-100ms generally speaking. Double that and that and my timing is off completely.
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Alamadis · Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject:

Most of this is a response to Frosty's last post as it seemed less hostile than others.

The decision wasn't made with any sort of malice. The reason the Euro clans are placed in this realm of "fault" that was mentioned is due to their being the odd ones out. The european clan is the common factor in the resulting latency issues. It isn't a question of the lag being deliberate and it isn't an insult. It's simply the inevitable latency which comes with the difference in location.

I've spectated a match in the past with Pravus which involved them fighting an all west coast clan. The resulting match was comic when it came to latency as everyone was being ghost hit. It's a difficult environment to truly enjoy a match in. East coast has fewer issues, but this is a NA league. Limiting one side of the states from matches is a bit extreme.

As to the comment on our NA location differences. East - West are usually minor in lag differences. For example, Atham is a friend of mine that lives on the west coast and has a relatively poor connection. I'm still able to connect to him with about 130 ms. Canadians usually have -100 to me. Mexico is the odd one out. I rarely see them play out a match without being kicked as they tend to have 180-220 ms constants. We don't experience much when it comes to variable lag.

To those in this topic who have been hostile, how about we all cease the hate and move on.
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Master Shake · Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject:

i didnt buy my ns set for the slow, before that came out i was rockin berly, and when i hit that 90 one day ima switch half of my items for cane, i go for stats rather then effects and looks

only ppl who have lag to me are those who have shitty connections, like virtue i didnt know he lived in tx until he fixed his internet

there are some kids in canada that lag, but most eu has red for me

i know everybody doesnt have a lovely set up like mine Wink

, but i have a right to complain about lag when i don't ever play with it
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TheFluffy · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:17 am Post subject:

Is it me or do I get the impression you think Euros are used to fight with lag?
Hmm, to me it's obvious, but I'll still say it: We're not. Not at ALL.
We've encountered great difficulties in fighting vs 150~200ms.
Nonetheless it's p2p, so both Euro and USA encounter the same problem.

To me it's quite a shame to see the aggression in some of your replies.
We are you very grateful you allowed us to participate in your league.
Especially the NSE rule, is something I did not expect from the Americans,
but I see it as a good decision. (Skills > Luck of effects)
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Master Shake · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject:

im pretty sure i said and not just thought that euros are use to playing with lag, and rofl at skills, that shit went out when stats were bumped up
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Dr.PP · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject:

TheFluffy · Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:41 am Post subject:

Master Shake · Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject:

you understand that i wasnt in the scrim? i could care less if they won or loss, im just here for the lag

and sorry i only have one brain :/
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Frosty · Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 23 Pictures: 0

Well then, MostViciousP, we're waiting for your reasonings. Interpreting from the level of pompousness in your replies you're bound to have some pretty darn solid arguments to back yourself up with. Very Happy

So far you've only expressed your opinion, without saying a single valid* reason as to why you are supposedly right.

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