Definition of Lag

Engel · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Definition of Lag

A very touchy subject, and the cause of alot of dispute in rakion. Is as we all know Lag, what it is, and who it effects.

Many people just look toward ms for their awnser to who lags and who does not. So here is the Ms range i determine as non laggy and laggy. Feel free to share your range as well.

1-50ms (wonderful)
50-100 (great)
100-180 (good/ok)
180+ (bad)
200+ (=kick)

Another thing people tend to not quite understand even though ive stated it so many times. is that Ms is reflectice. What your ms shows up to me is what my ms shows up to you.

Now also take into account, not just internet connect but distance to host, and distance to each player in game effects your overall and individual ms to each player.

The next factor that plays into ms/lag is the amount and type of cells the host/indiv player are using. If your host is using tauros for example. The overall game will lag unless their connection can keep up with the data being sent to both master golems, and the gold golem. Imo hosts should never use tauros.

lastly we have internet stability. this is the factor which players into those who Spike lag.

id go into more depth but im lazy...

feel free to add your imput.

btw this was brought about from my war being kicked numerous times from hired_killers game under the excuse of being a lagger at 140ms.

@hired try to understand what a melee bug is.
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Strokke · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:49 am Post subject:

Another of the many factors is packetloss. All connections have packetloss but some have it a lot worse than others.
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Microbe · League Advocate Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 134 Pictures: 0

True strooke, it's all about the connection, Engel nice range ! You have the same as me lol Smile

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j2k · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

Internet isn't the only thing to factor in. Arguably, it's the biggest, but not the only one. Your computer itself has much to do with lag as well.

If your processor and graphics card are not up to par and/or cannot communicate fast enough you are going to experience lag as well. Not just the processor and graphics card, but those are the big players, true most gamers aren't playing on P2, 1999 model graphics cards, but even some newer up to date models aren't fast enough or don't have the ability to communicate with the processor fast enough to keep up with the game play. Some graphics cards even though brand new, just simply can't handle the graphics that Rakion uses even at its lowest settings.

I agree that people with such cards and computers should realize they need to upgrade in order to improve not only their own but everyone else they play with's game experience, but some simply ignore it because it makes them harder to hit and thus able to live longer and in essence seem like a better player then those playing on very good, reliable connections with very good computers able to more then adequately run Rakion even at the highest settings. They may very well be better even if they did have a good computer and good connection, but that's unknown due to their either refusal or inability to obtain the better computer/internet.

Thats just my take on the part of lag you left out, agree, disagree, w/e...
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Microbe · League Advocate Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 134 Pictures: 0

Ya totally, but what's the point of playing a game if you lag ike hell ? like spiking and stuff, ppl who have a bad comp and still play are stupid because its just annoying and in some case impossible to play.
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j2k · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

I agree totally, but I know of some people who simply don't care and play through it because people can't hit them but they can hit others, so they think that it's alright, even if it isn't much lag, sometimes its enough to cause problems. Sometimes it is purely internet, but sometimes it can be a mix or either one..
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Furious · League Supporter Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 72 Pictures: 0

100-180 ms is only ok when you're up against a melee character, and even then only barely.

Once you hit 120, as an archer the bug becomes deadly. Ok, deadlier. [this, from experience]

Even for melee characters, you'll start swinging where they were 120 ms before and will get bugged a lot. So once you start hitting 120 and above then the lag becomes a serious concern when 1v1'ing and worse in a team game. You'll have to be absolutely sure that the other person is delayed before committing to a swing. Or you'll have to predict where they're going to be, or as archers do, compensate for the lag and shoot in front of where the person actually is to hit him.

Rax · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject:

You forgot the Rax definition.

Round 1 9:00 61 ms
Round 1 8:59 1440 ms
Round 1 8:58 120 ms
^_^
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MagnumQc · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:

When theres a match, and someone lags, what happen ?? Shocked

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Asianese · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

read the rules, i think it is stated in there
and connection is one thing
but wireless connectino snt the best lol
anyone with wireless would agree with me that it has some problems
*cough microwaves*
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j2k · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject:

Wireless can have issues, but it really depends on the router. Some routers handle gaming really well, granted, most don't, but some do. Wireless isn't entirely bad. I use wireless on occasion and I don't lag with it, but it depends on if Skylight is playing at the same time or not. If he is I need to wire in, it has a problem with giving wired connections preference over wireless -_-
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Flip · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject:

I spike lag... I also have graphics lag in big games and dragon filled games. But I hate it when my fps rating goes down... My screen lags so much and I go so slow that I eventually just stop shooting.
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Asianese · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject:

i have a good router i ahve good everyhting.. lol the only time i lag is when my bro logs on to rakion, cs, even gunbound (we both have wireless connections and they are about 8 feet away from each other)
at that poitn.. he gets a 10000ping <--- sometimes 35k, its crazy...
and i get liek a 300-400 ms (i ahve a better wireless)
and of corues microwaves get in the way -.- but watever
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MeepRawr · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:55 am Post subject:

meh i consider 150ms to be bad and like 180 desirves kicking.

just my opinion

Engel · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:

meep you spike lag like a hoe...
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